FANDOM


  • I have noticed that some categories were deleted on this wiki such as villains, heroes, etc.

    In my opinion, deciding to delete categories like the villains and heroes categories is kind of like saying that Looney Tunes does not have villains or heroes however I am not saying that the admins were saying things like "there are no villains or heroes in the Looney Tunes franchise", I'm just saying that it sounds like they're saying that.

    If Looney Tunes never had villains or heroes, I would understand why those categories aren't allowed on this wiki. But the Looney Tunes franchise has heroes/protagonists and villains/antagonists in the series.

      Loading editor
    • Every short varies so it is not useful to label a character as an antagonist just because they were an antagonist in that one cartoon.

        Loading editor
    • Well, not all antagonists from the Looney Tunes franchise are from a short. There's also antagonists from Looney Tunes movies such as Mr. Swackhammer, Mr. Chairman, The Robot Dog,etc.

      Also, if Looney Tunes had no antagonists at all, then I would understand why labeling characters as antagonists is not allowed on this wiki. But, there are antagonists in Looney Tunes.

      Also, not all antagonists are evil. 

      A villain is someone who does evil things and an antagonist is someone who opposes the protagonist (the main character).

        Loading editor
    • Orange Mo
      Orange Mo removed this reply because:
      .
      01:25, July 4, 2018
      This reply has been removed
    • Loveable Cats wrote: Well, not all antagonists from the Looney Tunes franchise are from a short. There's also antagonists from Looney Tunes movies such as Mr. Swackhammer, Mr. Chairman, The Robot Dog,etc.

      Also, if Looney Tunes had no antagonists at all, then I would understand why labeling characters as antagonists is not allowed on this wiki. But, there are antagonists in Looney Tunes.

      Also, not all antagonists are evil. 

      A villain is someone who does evil things and an antagonist is someone who opposes the protagonist (the main character).

      https://looneytunes.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:39805

        Loading editor
    • I've already read the thread about multiple times.

        Loading editor
    • Loveable Cats wrote: I've already read the thread about multiple times.

      Then you should know why the staff decided to remove the categories.

        Loading editor
    • Well, yes. I do know why the admins decided remove them but I was just being reasonable.

        Loading editor
    • Orange Mo wrote:
      Every short varies so it is not useful to label a character as an antagonist just because they were an antagonist in that one cartoon.

      Actually, most of the antagonists of the Looney Tunes franchise are not antagonists in just one episode of a cartoon. There's characters in the series who are mostly antagonists such as Elmer Fudd, Yosemite Sam, Wile E. Coyote, Marvin the Martian and Sylvester.

      Also, as I said, there's also characters from Looney Tunes movies who are antagonists such as Mr. Swackhammer, The Nerdlucks/The Monstars, Mr. Chairman, The Robot Dog, etc. 

        Loading editor
    • Loveable Cats wrote:

      Orange Mo wrote:
      Every short varies so it is not useful to label a character as an antagonist just because they were an antagonist in that one cartoon.

      Actually, most of the antagonists of the Looney Tunes franchise are not antagonists in just one episode of a cartoon. There's characters in the series who are mostly antagonists such as Elmer Fudd, Yosemite Sam, Wile E. Coyote, Marvin the Martian and Sylvester.

      Also, as I said, there's also characters from Looney Tunes movies who are antagonists such as Mr. Swackhammer, The Nerdlucks/The Monstars, Mr. Chairman, The Robot Dog, etc. 

      Sylvester isn't an antagonist in all his shorts.

        Loading editor
    • Hi, I’m the former admin who proposed to remove the categories in the first place. Here is why I petitioned to remove the categories, and why I am against reinstating them.

      Before I begin, I need to clarify that the intent of removing the categories was not to say that protagonists, antagonists, heroes and villains don’t exist. The reasoning is actually much more complex.

      1. The purpose of categories is to provide some sort of distinction between different subjects. Since the majority of characters could fall under two or more of the listed categories, they are pretty much pointless.
      2. Due to the negative continuity of the original shorts, coupled with all of the TV shows and movies having nothing to do with each other aside from the same characters, almost none of the Looney Tunes characters could fall under strictly being a hero or a villain. Even then, some characters may have gray morality and cannot be strictly defined as being a hero or a villain.
      3. The categories do not adequately explain why a character is a protagonist/antagonist/both/etc. When these categories were on a page, the page itself didn’t even explain why a character was a particular type. If you want to explain why a character is a hero or a villain, explain in the page why and how they are a hero or a villain.
      4. Most importantly, the categories are up for debate. Lovable Cats, you say “a villain is someone who does evil things and an antagonist is someone who opposes the protagonist (the main character).” However, what do you define as “evil” and “good”? Is Wile E. Coyote the hero because he just has to have the Road Runner, is he the villain for disrupting the bird’s life, or is he neither? Because the categories can be (read: can be) opinion-driven, and there are cases where they have led to pointless edit wars, those categories are completely useless.

      If you still feel that the hero, villain, protagonist and antagonist categories should be kept, you are welcome to go to another wiki which has them.

        Loading editor
    • Ok. When I've noticed the hero and villain categories, I did not really understand why the categories were deleted until I've read the policy and the thread.

      I've also created this thread to explain my opinion on those categories getting deleted. Also, I'm explaining this mostly because I'm a reasonable person. Honestly, I am not trying to argue or violate policies, I'm just being reasonable.

      Also, Orange Mo, Sylvester might not be an antagonist in every single short but he's still an antagonist. 

      And PopKornKat, I understand what you're saying and why you've decided to remove the categories. Also, I have some things to explain.

      1. Wile E. Coyote seems pretty evil in my opinion.

      2. I thought you were retired.

        Loading editor
    • Loveable Cats wrote: And PopKornKat, I understand what you're saying and why you've decided to remove the categories. Also, I have some things to explain.

      1. Wile E. Coyote seems pretty evil in my opinion.

      2. I thought you were retired.

      1. Why do you think Wile E. Coyote is evil? Can you elaborate?
      2. Well, I still am. But that's not the point.
        Loading editor
    • Loveable Cats wrote: Ok. When I've noticed the hero and villain categories, I did not really understand why the categories were deleted until I've read the policy and the thread.

      I've also created this thread to explain my opinion on those categories getting deleted. Also, I'm explaining this mostly because I'm a reasonable person. Honestly, I am not trying to argue or violate policies, I'm just being reasonable.

      Also, Orange Mo, Sylvester might not be an antagonist in every single short but he's still an antagonist. 

      And PopKornKat, I understand what you're saying and why you've decided to remove the categories. Also, I have some things to explain.

      1. Wile E. Coyote seems pretty evil in my opinion.

      2. I thought you were retired.

      They're retired from being an administrator, but that doesn't mean they can pop up every now and then.

        Loading editor
    • Well, that's easy. When he's smirking, he seems pretty evil and he also tries to kill The Road Runner. 

      If you're still retired, then why are you back on this wiki?

        Loading editor
    • Orange Mo wrote:

      Loveable Cats wrote: Ok. When I've noticed the hero and villain categories, I did not really understand why the categories were deleted until I've read the policy and the thread.

      I've also created this thread to explain my opinion on those categories getting deleted. Also, I'm explaining this mostly because I'm a reasonable person. Honestly, I am not trying to argue or violate policies, I'm just being reasonable.

      Also, Orange Mo, Sylvester might not be an antagonist in every single short but he's still an antagonist. 

      And PopKornKat, I understand what you're saying and why you've decided to remove the categories. Also, I have some things to explain.

      1. Wile E. Coyote seems pretty evil in my opinion.

      2. I thought you were retired.

      They're retired from being an administrator, but that doesn't mean they can pop up every now and then.

      Ok.

        Loading editor
    • Loveable Cats wrote: Well, that's easy. When he's smirking, he seems pretty evil and he also tries to kill The Road Runner.

      Orange Mo already addressed question 2.

      One of the "Laws and Rules" of the Road Runner cartoons is "The Coyote could stop anytime--if he were not a fanatic. (Repeat: "A fanatic is one who redoubles his effort when he has forgotten his aim." — George Santayana)." Granted, Michael Maltese said that he had never heard of the "rules" on the production of the cartoons, but that's not the point. Would you consider the Coyote's fanaticism a villainous trait? If your answer is "yes", why? For every one person who agrees, you might find one other who disagrees. Things like this prove my point exactly why some characters can't be defined strictly as a hero, a villain, a protagonist or an antagonist.

      Since Sylvester was brought up, let's talk about him as well. I could argue that Sylvester is the protagonist and Tweety is the antagonist. For instance, Tweety is the antagonist for disrupting Sylvester's attempts at eating him. Of course, you may disagree. But what about Sylvester's roles in The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries?

      My point is that character morality isn't strictly black-and-white, especially in the Looney Tunes shorts, where there are many shorts where the characters attack each other to survive. That, among many other reasons, is why defining certain characters in strict protagonist/antagonist/hero/villain categories is pointless, in my opinion.

        Loading editor
    • Actually, in the Tweety and Sylvester cartoons, Tweety is the protagonist and Sylvester is the antagonist.

        Loading editor
    • Loveable Cats wrote: Actually, in the Tweety and Sylvester cartoons, Tweety is the protagonist and Sylvester is the antagonist.

      Sylvester wants to eat him, but solving the mystery comes first before his chase. An antagonist works against the protagonist and the supporting characters.

        Loading editor
    • What do you mean by "Things like this prove my point exactly why some characters can't be defined strictly as a hero, a villain, a protagonist or an antagonist."? Do you mean some characters are not always evil or heroic.

      Well, here's another reasonable opinion of mine.

      I am going to explain who's always evil or antagonistic and who's mostly an antagonist but sometimes good.

      So, here's the list.

      Always antagonists or villains: Mr. Swackhammer, Mr. Chairman, The Robot Dog and The Red or Orange Cat who helped Sylvester try and kill Tweety

      Mostly antagonists or villains but not always villainous or antagonistic: Elmer Fudd, Yosemite Sam, Wile E. Coyote, Sylvester and Marvin the Martian

      Reformed: The Nerdlucks/The Monstars

        Loading editor
    • Orange Mo wrote:

      Loveable Cats wrote: Actually, in the Tweety and Sylvester cartoons, Tweety is the protagonist and Sylvester is the antagonist.

      Sylvester wants to eat him, but solving the mystery comes first before his chase. An antagonist works against the protagonist and the supporting characters.

      According to the definition of an antagonist, an antagonist is someone who opposes a protagonist (a main character).

        Loading editor
    • Loveable Cats wrote:

      Orange Mo wrote:

      Loveable Cats wrote: Actually, in the Tweety and Sylvester cartoons, Tweety is the protagonist and Sylvester is the antagonist.

      Sylvester wants to eat him, but solving the mystery comes first before his chase. An antagonist works against the protagonist and the supporting characters.

      According to the definition of an antagonist, an antagonist is someone who opposes a protagonist (a main character).

      I literally just said that.

        Loading editor
    • Ok.

        Loading editor
    • Loveable Cats wrote: What do you mean by "Things like this prove my point exactly why some characters can't be defined strictly as a hero, a villain, a protagonist or an antagonist."? Do you mean some characters are not always evil or heroic.

      Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

      Also, regarding my Sylvester and Tweety statement, it was purely hypothetical; it's not an actual representation of my thoughts on whether certain characters fill a certain role.

      I will say one more thing before I bow out of this convo: very strict protagonist/antagonist labels have led to severe edit wars in the past on completely different wikis. This particular policy was enacted on a wiki where characters are allowed to be defined as antagonists! Part of my reasoning for implementing the "no protag/antag" categories was to prevent those sort of edit wars.

      So long.

        Loading editor
    • Ok. There are actually some characters who are always antagonistic such as Mr. Swackhammer, Mr. Chairman,etc.

        Loading editor
    • Hey Everybody Orange Mo Was A Villain And He’s Gonna Take Over The World You Gotta Blocked Him.

        Loading editor
    • Orange Mo is not going to take over the world. What makes you say that? And what makes you say that Orange Mo is a villain?

        Loading editor
    • I’m Just Kidding.

        Loading editor
    • Ok.

        Loading editor
    • Month late reply, but my thought on removing the villain and hero categories is that I'm not a big fan. I tend to like those categories being prevalent with a series wiki where there are clear villains and heroes which is sorta the case with Looney Tunes, at the same time I sorta understand why they'd be consider "pointless" or "arbitrary". It's a bit weird.

      Just my two cents.

        Loading editor
    • Moehoward wrote:
      Month late reply, but my thought on removing the villain and hero categories is that I'm not a big fan. I tend to like those categories being prevalent with a series wiki where there are clear villains and heroes which is sorta the case with Looney Tunes, at the same time I sorta understand why they'd be consider "pointless" or "arbitrary". It's a bit weird.

      Just my two cents.

      I personally think that it's weird. So, I would have to agree with you.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
Give Kudos to this message
You've given this message Kudos!
See who gave Kudos to this message
Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.